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was. and i really did think it was the most wonderful country in the world long before any of this happened. wow. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "the ed show" starts right now. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from minneapolis. breaking news, cia director david petraeus is out and rich people in this country better get their wallets out. >> american people voted for action. >> the president drops the hammer. no deal unless the rich start paying their fair share. we'll bring you the latest on today's major power play by president obama. >> it's time to get back to work. >> hatred and racism explode following the president's reelection. eric dyson puts it all into perspecti perspective. and bill clinton may have saved president obama's second
term. darrell hammen tells us how he did it. >> he's the only democratic nominee for president. >> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. president obama stepped out to talk about the economy today. he reminded america that there was an election on tuesday and the people have spoken. the president spoke from the east room of the white house surrounded by middle class americans. he's ready to lead on fiscal challenges facing this country. >> the american people voted for action. not politics as usual. you elected us to focus on your jobs, not ours. and in that spirit, i have invited leaders of both parties to the white house next week so we can start to build consensus around the challenges that we can only solve together. >> no heavy hand, no arrogance whatsoever. if there's one word to sum up the president's presentation today, it's this. consistent. the guy who gave the speech is the same guy who we watched on the campaign trail for the last
seven months. americans want cooperation when it comes to a deal on the united states economy and the president is delivering his side of the bargain. >> we can't just cut our way to prosperity. if we're serious about reducing the deficit, we have to combine spending cuts with revenue. that means asking the wealthiest americans to pay a little more in taxes. that's how we did it. >> the facts just aren't with the republicans on this issue of tax cuts. the republican -- the congressional budget office just published a report saying that there's no danger to the economy if the tax cuts for wealthy americans are allowed to expire. even with a political mandate. the president insisted he will listen to all options. he's ready to deliver the balanced approach to debt reduction that he campaigned on. >> i want to be clear. i'm not going into every detail
of the plan. i'm open to compromise. i'm open to new ideas. i'm committed to solving our fiscal challenge. but i refuse to accept any approach that isn't balanced. i'm not going to ask students and seniors and middle-class families to pay down the entire deficit while people like me making over $250,000 aren't asked to pay a dime more in taxes. i'm not going to do that. >> the president is even willing to talk about reforms to medicare and medicaid. he left social security out of his speech today. senator chuck schumer appeared on this network this morning and said that social security will most likely not be apart of any deal. >> i think on social security, you'll find more resistance for one reason. it's not part of the deficit. if you were to increase revenues in social security or decrease cost, that would not go into deficit reduction, it would go
somewhere else. >> the democrats are in the driver's seat. there's one republican who has the power to make sure a deal is cooperative and satisfying to the american people. it's bajohn boehner. he needs to decide if he takes this country over the fiscal cliff by refusing to bend on tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. as of now, he still says that tax cuts are off the table. >> raising taxes on small business people is the wrong prescription given where our economy is. >> is it on the table to talk about it? >> i made clear yesterday that raising tax rates is unacceptable. and frankly, it couldn't even pass the house. >> boehner is boxing himself in by taking all tax increases off the table. e today the president repeated his intention to pass a bill keeping the tax cuts on anyone with income under $250,000. >> the senate has already passed a bill doing exactly this. so all we need is action from the house. i've got the pen.
ready to sign the bill right away. i'm ready to do it. >> house republicans are going to have a lot of explaining to do if they don't pass tax cut extensions on the american people who need it the most. americans labor coalition made it clear it will support the president in this effort to strike a deal. "the washington post" wrote, i'm told that the union are putting together a major push including television ads to pressure congress to adopt a fiscal cliff approach that doesn't do any harm to medicare and medicaid and social security and includes higher taxes from the wealthy. white house officials told absentee's jake tapper they are confident a deal will be struck. tapper wrote, one scenario included the president barn storming the coup try telling the public that democrats will put forward a bill for tax cuts.
this is the same scenario bernie sanders laid out on this program last night. tuesday's election made it clear. what direction this country wants to take when it comes to deficit reduction. republicans need to decide whether they are with the american people on this big deal. get your cell phones out. i want to know yo what you think. should the president give in to republican demands? text a for yes, b for no. you can go to our blog and leave your comments. and we'll bring the results later on in the show. i'm joined tonight by john larson of connecticut. also with us this evening is congressman john garamendy of california. there's a lot of news out there. we have a lot to cover. first, congressman larson, about this barn storming tour that is being suggested that the president might do.
will this put pressure on lawmakers? would public pressure make a difference at this point? >> well, i think it's important that the president be out there and i think it would only enhance the opportunity for us coming to solutions. when the american public wants to see is a congress working toward solutions that will put them back to work. and ed, you have emphasized this over and over again on your show. job creation equals deficit reduction. so putting -- this is something that everyone can agree on in the congress. they wouldn't even take up the president's bill. let's take up the job creation bill. let's signal to the american public and the the entire world that this nation is going back to work and we know that lowering that unemployment rate will drop the deficit and produce a better society. and also with regard to taxes. we have a clear path forward here. everybody again agrees that the middle class deserves this tax
cut especially in the difficult times. and as the president says, he has the pen. let's be ready to act. i think he can make that case. he has the bully pulpit and i hope he does. >> congressman, what is john boehner's next move? what do you think is going to happen? >> he's going to meet with the president. they are going to meet next week. i think he's going to have to face the reality that either now, that is in the lame duck session, their 200-plus democratic votes ready to go on the president's plan. that's about 18 republicans we would need. and boehner has to understand that we actually must work across the aisle to solve this problem. otherwise we're not going to get it done. the american public demands we work together. just imagine what we could do if we actually worked together. we can solve some serious problems. we could do the american jobs act and the infrastructure and rebuild new york and new jersey, desperately needed there.
serious investment needs to be made on our infrastructure. we can only do that if we work across the aisle. the president has laid out a very good starting point to get the negotiations underway. >> no doubt. congressman larson, do you think there are any republicans in their caucus that will come over and work with the president and do the the right thing to address this? or is this going to be another all-republican fraternal order to be followed by john boehner? >> i do believe that there are many decent caring republicans and i think we have two shining examples to point to. most recently, chris christie in a crisis came together with the president. and demonstrated when we work together, much can be accomplished. and certainly you'd have to focus on mitt romney's concession speech and his call to the spirit of the american people. look, roads and bridges and the
things that need to be done with our infrastructure aren't democrat or republican. they are american at their heart and we know we have a window of opportunity here. it's not the time to kick the can down the road. it's the time to come together and act as americans. we have seen stellar examples of what can be. and i'm heartened. i think we will have republicans that join us. >> i hope so. we've got some other breaking news tonight out of washington. the director of the cia general david petraeus announced his resignation. "after being married for 37 years, i showed extremely poor judgment by engaging in an extramarital affair. such behavior is unacceptable, both as a husband and as a leader of an organization such as ours. this afternoon, the president graciously accepted my resignation." the president received the resignation yesterday but took 24 hours before accept iing it.
"going forward, my thoughts and prayers are with dave and holly petraeus, who has done so much to help military families through her own work. i wish them the very best." nbc news reported that the fbi is investigating the author of petraeus's biography for improper access to the general's e-mail. let's go back to our two guests tonight. congressman, what's your reaction to this news? >> first, very very sad. this is an extraordinary individual who has served in difficult circumstances as a general and leading the war in afghanistan and also in iraq. we just have to think good thoughts for him and his family going forward. obviously, he has resigned and it's a difficult situation. proving once again none of us are above making a mistake along
the way. it's really a sad situation. >> congressman larson, does this complicate the president's upcoming cabinet shakeup? >> certainly, i agree with john and certainly i think the tone that the president set in his remarks are keeping with the spirit of a great american and someone who served their country extraordinarily well. you can only ache for the situation that's taken place. clearly let us hope also that with respect to the the president getting through all of his nominations, at the senate with the pickup of seats there that there's a better temperament in the senate to dealing with the public has rightfully seen as a second term for the president. >> petraeus is being replaced by interim deputy director michael morale. will this affect cia operations?
we have some heavy stuff going on in the world right now. and it seems to me that this is not too seamless. your thoughts on it? >> i think it's going to go on well. the cia is an organization that is well structured and will carry on its work. obviously, the direction that it will take and the leadership it's had with general petraeus will be lost, but the deputy is a strong individual. very capable and will be able to carry on. and as you just said in the previous discussion with mr. larson, in the next few months, there? the opportunity for the president to appoint a new director. that confirmation should come quickly from the senate. hopefully they won't hold it up there. there is the problem of the benghazi situation that could make this more complex. hopefully it won't. that should be quickly put behind us and we need to move on. the cia is extremely important.
and we need to move on and get on with protecting this nation and finding out the things we need to know. >> congressman larson, general petraeus was expected to testify next week in front of the senate intelligence committee behind closed doors. what does this mean? he's not going to testify unless he's subpoenaed. do you think he needs to step forward? or is he a citizen going on about his way? >> i think that he's a citizen going on his way. i think the point that john makes that certainly the cia is very capable and very competent and will provide the hearing and the information that is needed. i think in part people would probably like to see general petraeus come forward and testify behind closed doors because of what he knows. i'm sure his staff is equipped and prepared with regard to
that. >> okay. great to have you both with us here on "the ed show." appreciate your time. remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts with us. we want to know what you think. and coming up, former u.s. navy vice admiral joins me to weigh in on the resignation of the cia director david petraeus. stay tuned. you're watching "the ed show" on msnbc.
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welcome back to "the ed show." details keep unfolding on the resignation of david petraeus who cited an extramarital affair for the reason for his decision. here's nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent talking about an fbi investigation of petraeus's biographer. >> we have learned from law enforcement sources and officials that the fbi is now investigating, and this is an ongoing investigation, into paula broadwell. she e is someone who has had close access to general
petraeus. she was his biographer and wrote a book on general petraeus called "all in." she's spent extensive time with him in afghanistan and made television appearances talking about the general. she says she's gone running with him. the fbi investigation is seeing whether she had improper access to general petraeus's e-mails and may have had access to his -- may have accidentally or deliberately had access to classified information. >> here's paula broadwell talking about general petraeus in january of this year. >> when i was in kabul, we did a lot of interviews on runs. it was a good distraction from the war. he's a bit concerned as someone in his position would be about legacy and came at it and wanted to help me with this project. >> according to slate, president obama agonized for 24 hours before accepting general petraeus's resignation. let's bring in former
congressman joe sustec and also worked in navy intelligence. good to have you with us tonight. this is pretty gut wrenching for the cia community. what does this do, if anything serious, to the intelligence community? >> the intelligence community is going to move on. general petraeus was one of our finest generals. nobody is irreplaceable. he did the right thing to hand in his resignation. it might have been understandable for the presidential not to accept it, he was correct to accept it. this is, what we learn in the military, accountability. >> here's his statement. after being married for over 37 years, i showed extremely poor judgment by engaging in an extramarital affair. such behavior is unacceptable both as a husband and as a leader of an organization such as ours. this afternoon the president graciously accepted my
resignation. through that statement, joe, it sounds like he did some real soul searching. is that what happened? >> without a question. look, we learn in the mail tear that you don't separate personal standards from professional ones. if you find out you're lying in your personal life, how can they trust you in your professional life? we learn as great leaders, and he was a very good leader, that with responsibility goes authority. and with them both goes accountability. and why some people may think this kind of accountability is cruel, actually if the men and women who follow you actually think you are above accountability, then they lose trust in you. if you lose your confidence order dissolves into chaos. no. i think this is something. while it may seem cruel to some, that the general did the absolute right thing as the president did. i think as people who are in political life in our civil
society might take this sense oof accountability. that's what they want in their leaders. >> general petraeus was supposed to testify next week on benghazi. you can imagine the speculation that will swirl around this that he stepped out of this position before he went before the senate intelligence committee. do you have any comment on that? >> sure. there's absolutely nothing that general petraeus would have done wrong professionally that would have even had the hint of politics. as some were saying about the whole benghazi issue. general petraeus always strived to be the best that he could both in his professional responsibilities. and in this case when he didn't match it on his personal side, he handed in his resignation. that's the mark of this man. i think anybody who thinks he's doing this to avoid any accountability with benghazi
just doesn't understand what he trained and what he strooied to be like as a wonderful general. >> joe, what about the fact that petraeus is not under fbi investigation but someone else is. how normal is it for the fbi to investigate the cia? >> well, if they think there's some sort of crime that's occurred and in my limited understanding of what happened, this began because someone had a belief that general petraeus's computer had been compromised which led to the next step. the fbi does crime, not the cia. this is the proper course to take. and again transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. this is tough. you and i know both know it. for a general who has done so much for this nation. i think this showed what kind of a man he was that he did his
soul searching, but he handed in his resignation because that's what we're trained to do and people should take a lesson on that. >> joe, good to have you with us on "the ed show." appreciate it so much. coming up, a coal boss announces a series of lay yufs. find out how workers are paying the price for a ceo's personal politics. and it got pretty ugly out there following the reelection of our first african-american president. msnbc political analyst michael eric dyson will weigh in. wour watching "the ed show." stay with us.
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thanks for staying with us tonight. the leader of a company is make good on a preelection threat. he's taking his republican frustrations out on his workers. republican this guy robert murray? he's the ceo of one of the largest privately held coal companies. he's laying off 163 workers in the state of ohio, utah and illinois. you see he blames president obama's reelection. he says the president is waging a war on coal. one worker posted this message. i was laid off because president obama was reelected. murray is the ceo who reportedly forced miners to attend this romney rally in august. the miners claim they were not paid for showing up. about 100 of the laid off
employees work for the division which ran the mine that collapsed in 2007, nine people died. murray's company agreed to pay a million dollars in civil penalties. but he insists he cares about people. >> he's destroying the lives and the livelihoods of many people that i know by name. >> murray is not the only business owner trying to turn the president into a scapegoat. >> yesterday i called all my part-time employees in and said because obama won, i was cutting their hours from 30 to 25 a week so i would not fall under the obama care mandate. >> one website tried to drum up fear with this misleading headline. obama reelection triggers massive layoffs, totally untrue. not a single business blamed layoffs on the election. unfortunately this is a tough year for workers.
the bureau of labor statistics says most layoffs happen during the fourth quarter of this time of year. it's been true since 1996 no matter who gets elected. if a boss like bob murray is disappointed in the election, he shouldn't take it out on his employees. this is about as mean spirited as you can get. now think about it. what in the world do you think happened between tuesday and friday in the coal industry that would force this mean-spirited owner to get rid of 163 workers? just because the black guy won? joining me tonight is larry cohen, president of the communications workers of america. what's happening here? >> i think it's a question of what kind of democracy are we going to have and most importantly, what are our rights at work? and over the last several decades, you see no lines at all
in terms of what is proper in the workplace and abuse of authority by employers, the kind of intimidation that you talked about, the citizens united case from the supreme court, decades of decisions saying when it comes to workers organizing, anything employers do is free speech. money is free speech. and many of us believe corporations are not people. money is not speech. we're going to build a movement to take back our democracy and fight these kinds of outrageous behaviors. >> what kind of movement are you talking about? what can happen? >> i'm talking about a broad-based movement that we need to reform, if necessary, the constitution itself. that the founders did not mean that money was speech. they meant that all of us should have an equal right to participate in our society. not that there were super rights for the super rich.
we see that in the president's announcement today that for example, he's not going to standby and see tax give aways to the 2%. that he is going to defend social security, medicare and medicaid. that's about what kind of democracy we're going to have. are we going to have universal voter registration or are we going to make it impossible for people to vote? these are all key questions for us. and i think that many us of whether they are labor or civil rights or youth, lgbt, we need to get together, build a democracy movement, say to workers you're not alone. you're not alone when you speak up. you have those rights. we'll be there as consumers and be there to build a movement for the democracy we all want. >> do you expect more ceos to take their frustrations out on employees because president obama won the election? what does it say about how ruthless people can be? >> not only are they ruthless,
but they are not paying attention to the demand side of the economy. president obama is committed, as are most of those on the winning side of this election, to a growth economy. if you had an austerity economy based on cuts, that's when business should be worried because the demand side will continue to collapse. when you have an election won predominantly by those who favor growth, you should be ready to invest. we were cheered in our union by at&t's announcement to invest $5 billion extra each of the next three years to build broad band in rural america. we need employers to show that kind of leadership that we're ready to bring back the american dream. we're ready to create jobs and standby america's workers. >> all right. communication workers of america president larry cohen with us tonight. thank you. there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed
show." stay with us. coming up, professor michael eric dyson on the racial outbursts following the president's reelection. >> are you a racist? >> no. i'm not. >> it sounds like you're a racist. >> it does. >> righties blame tuesday's thumping on an uninform eed electorate. we'll show you why the opposite is true. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] some day, your life will flash before your eyes. ♪ make it worth watching. ♪ the new 2013 lexus ls. an entirely new pursuit. the new 2013 lexus ls. [ camera flash ] great... were you profitable last month? how much money is in your checking account? have the browns paid you for their addition yet?
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tweets are coming from. primarily red states in the southeast eastern portion of the united states. mississippi had eight times more racist tweets than the national average. georgia, north dakota, louisiana, tennessee, missouri, west virginia and minnesota all ranked 3 to 4 times above the national average in terms of prevalence of racist tweets among those ten states only minnesota voted for president obama. one woman's racist facebook post got her fired from her job and prompted outrage from her community. >> fired over this twitter post. a screen shot of her facebook page, a page she set to private. >> the "n" word. are you a racest? >> no. i'm not. >> but not only did she use the
"n" word she wrote about assassinati assassination, threatening the the president is a felony. she tried to explain her motives. >> the assassination part is harsh. i'm not saying i would go do that or anything like that by any means, but if it was to happen, i don't think i would care. >> she dialled back her language, but the damage had been done. according to the los angeles times, the secret service is investigating the matter. racial hatred also made its way to the campus of ole miss. tuesday night university of mississippi students came out and protested president obama's reelection. some were shouting racial slurs and lit obama campaign signs on fire. one student offered details to wlbt. >> the group shot fire crackers, walked through the grove and shouted racial remarks. two were arrested when police were called to disperse a crowd of 400 people. >> these protests follow the
50th anniversary of violent rioting at ole miss over the enrollment of the university's first black student james meredith. let's turn to michael eric dyson, msnbc political analyst and associate at georgetown university. good to have you with us. with so much hatred still out there, this is a depressing story. it brings me to the question. is there any chance of acceptance or is this just the way it's always going to be? >> among a certain minority of peop people, i think this will persist. but the reality is that a great swath, if you will of american whites, did cast a vote for barack obama. enough to make a difference. if you look at what got obama into office, if it was a sandwich, we'd call it ham on white.
so there's a coalition that's taking place in america that may be threat tong the old school, old style tradition of white men being central and dominant. whiteness is being dissipated and what's coming together is a collection of progressive whites along with latinos and african-americans and young people foraging a connection to a broader future and a bridge to a brighter possibility. but at the same time, it's discouraging when we see young people at the university of mississippi really serve up anew this old-style racism that is a nasty assault not only on the president, but african-american identity in general. >> you know, i think there were some questionable things during the campaign as well. the presidential nominee was sending john sununu out to stir up the racial fears. how tough will it it be to move
forward without leadership from the conservatives? >> the conservatives will either lead or be left behind. look at the ungracious character of mitt romney's concession speech. he didn't embrace president obama as the person to lead us forward. he didn't throw his full weight behind him. he didn't talk about a new vision for the country that we could forge together in our actions. he was really a selfish narcissistic kind of person. the extraordinary narcissism collectively speaking white men in control is really facing the erosion of a broader movement that says we're not going to stand for that anymore. so the republican party will either lead or they will be left behind. they are outdated dinosaurs dealing with the relics of the past and can't deal with what's going on in the future. they will be left behind. but they will be kicking and screaming, as we see now, with bitter language that denounces our president and collectively the aspirations of
african-americans and others. >> but if the republican party doesn't change and if their leadership doesn't change and if they don't think differently on this issue of diversity and race and acceptance and they standby idle, doesn't that fuel extremist groups to feel emboldened to do more things than what we have seen? >> it's the silence of good people that's more destructive than the vicious behavior of those who are bigots. and these people are worshipping at the altar of their ideals. but you are right. the refusal to say this is wr g wrong. like john mccain did, no, ma'am, he's not an arab. he's an extraordinary person. that's what we have to have from the republican party. otherwise, they are fueling and fostering and facilitating a vicious reality. >> professor michael eric dyson,
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the minority. >> hurricane sandy saved barack obama's presidency. >> the photo op with chris christie also kind of damaged mitt's narrative. >> he succeeded by suppressing the vote. >> that's just a sampling, my trends. the conspiracy theories are predictable, are they not? it was the mainstream media. it was their fault. one of my favorite excuses was from ron johnson. in an interview, he blamed an uninformed lek rat. he said if you aren't properly informed, if you don't understand the problems facing the nation, you are that much more prone to falling prey to demagoguing solutions and the problem with demagoguing solutions is they don't work. i am concerned about people who don't fully understand the ugly math we are facing in this
country. so because the electorate is uninformed, they won't out and voted for president obama. take a look at this chart. the top ten best educated states, meaning they had the highest percentage of residents 25 or older with a college degree or more, they all voted for president obama. with the exception of nevada. the ten worst educated states, they voted for governor romney. so senator johnson, i don't know how anybody can buy this. governor romney lost because 55% of women voted for president obama. 73% of asian americans voted for the president. 93% of african-americans voted for president obama. and 71% of latinos voted for obama. the truth is just that simple. but of course, facts certainly aren't something the republican party pays attention to.
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being asked to pose for his family's yearly christmas card. that is a good-looking bunch. >> this was no landslide folks. it was like a 51-49er. okay just because obama won these blue states up here, he's the president of all of them now? look romney won all that red stuff. why don't we elect our president on square footage? >> and in the big finish tonight, the outcome of this election was right for the middle class, but probably not too good for comedy was it. bill maher said this. >> that's it. that's the election. it's your choice america. because for me it's a win-win. if it's obama, america wins. if it's romney, comedy wins. >> some comedians say it's hard to make fun of president obama, but it's always easy to take cracks at his critics. luckily for comics, republicans
like donald trump, members of congress and most of fox news channel are still easy targets. >> i have it on good authority from an african national that i met at a rain forest cafe that president obama has been texting with some of the world's top terrorists including jafar and the ridler. >> hold on, donald. aren't those fictional characters? >> well, if they are, then release the records, mr. president. >> the election is over, but the comedy sure isn't. joining me now is comedian and "saturday night live" alum darrell hammen. he was the longest-running cast member and the author of the book "god if you're not up there" which is now out in paperbook. i'd like to ask you what your
book is all about. is there a particular reason why you wrote this? >> i thought i was talking to dick cheney for a second. it's been awhile. how are you? >> well, i got a new heart. i'm doing pretty good. i'm thinking about buying your book. is there any chance it's any good? >> not much of a chance. it was a "new york times" best seller but what do you they know. >> darrell, good to have you with us. we really don't have a treasure-trove of people that can do good stuff like you used to do bill clinton. or am i wrong on that? >> what does that mean we don't have a treasure-trove? i'm waiting for the reagan. >> nobody did clinton better than you. and i can't think of anybody who does anybody else that good in this political arena that good.
why not? >> i don't know. i haven't been in the game for awhile. i thought it was really hard when i did it and i imagine it's probably still a hard thing to do. >> is there anybody out there you'd like to start working on or who was good material right now? >> no. i wrote a book and i'm writing another one and i don't know. i'm sorry. i don't know who is out there. >> you wrote a very funny book and had some serious issues as well. what made you write the book? >> i think -- i think the book is about contracts between perpetrators and victims actually. i wanted to write the book my whole life. i waited until some of the principles in them died.
and then i wrote it. >> based on your own struggles with substance abuse and mental health, are we handling treatment of these issues in a decent way in this country? >> well, i think substance abuse, as far as i understand it, is a symptom of some undiagnosed illness of some kind. but there's some good doctors out there and i was fortunate i had enough money, you know, to hire one of those for a couple months and worked out well for me. >> what's your future hold other than another book? what do you want to do? >> i give speeches about the book and i go to meetings about this book and at these meetings people talk about things they want to do with this book and i'm going to do more with that. i don't have anything more to report right now. >>. all right. darrell, good to have you on